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I think this topic isn't just about a few hitler picts, we're passed that.
(it was just a bad joke, that's all)
It's about the wrong people in the wrong place.
Mods on this server to be exact.
We're asked to shut up about it cause something would be done, explanation or anything.
None of that has happened or will ever happen.
So i'll give it a rest, this game is fucked up by some mods that consider it their private kindergarten.
The developer promises lots of things and won't live up to it.
The mod team say they consult eachother and they won't and that leads to conflicts wich are being discussed behind closed doors.
Fine with me, i'll play the game anyways.....

I'm ranting a little to some mods, those whom i'm talking about know who you are.

Your village is 38100% bigger than the defending village. You will probably lose 90 honour by attacking this village. If someone of your clan attacked this village earlier, every clan member will lose honour.

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Demonic schreef:

I think this topic isn't just about a few hitler picts, we're passed that.
(it was just a bad joke, that's all)
It's about the wrong people in the wrong place.
Mods on this server to be exact.
We're asked to shut up about it cause something would be done, explanation or anything.
None of that has happened or will ever happen.
So i'll give it a rest, this game is fucked up by some mods that consider it their private kindergarten.
The developer promises lots of things and won't live up to it.
The mod team say they consult eachother and they won't and that leads to conflicts wich are being discussed behind closed doors.
Fine with me, i'll play the game anyways.....

I'm ranting a little to some mods, those whom i'm talking about know who you are.

I agree

Guess who's back big_smile
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Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

Please remain on topic. If you have general non game related topics please post them in the Pub, but yet keep them fairly appropriate to viewing eyes. Thank you. smile

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invisibleman schreef:

Please remain on topic. If you have general non game related topics please post them in the Pub, but yet keep them fairly appropriate to viewing eyes. Thank you. smile

I thought this was related to feedback which some of us do to let you know what we think of the game, rules regualations and decisions, but it seems to be a one way street, the moderators have made a mistake, a blunder, they made a decision that no one agrees with, they have failed dismally to let the players of this game in on any reasons or explaination that would make sense, so you being a moderator tell me this, if there is 2 seperate games and by seperate i mean 1 has nothing to do with the other, same game in principle but is not interchangable in any shape or form and you decide to reset players on both. A simple logical question that you and your moderators have failed over and over again.

On the issue of your fellow moderator who claims putting a picture up for an hour and made positive comments on the murderous regieme was a joke, that is an easy way out, there was never a mention of it being a joke until i brought it up. That is a greater crime than cheating, now tell me how you live with a concience of protecting a fellow moderator and punishing players that may have breached a very grey area of cheating, there is no comparision, there is no joke with anything to do with hitler, so how about you and your fellow moderators show some guts and do something to right this whole mess, reinstate the players and punish the moderator who used hitler, remember a moderator is and should be seen as above reproach, honest and above all conflict.

Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

conan please just cease and think. I never said who so I see you get I mostly mean you. Please cease the discussion about the picture and the whole hilter thing. You are getting out of hand. No one said they support hitlers killing of thousands. If you do not cease I will see that further action is taken. You already gave your view, no need to repost it many times.

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Perhaps he's posting this to get a little feedback other then somone asking him to stop posting?
I mean, no apology has been made though i do understand this mod was spoken to behind closed doors.
As in wolfie's original post is said by wolfie, this sucks big time.
You guys ask for feedback yet when there are complaints it's all a matter of "sshh...  write me a pm" and next nothing will be done. Same with all other things, this game gets plenty of feedback from it's users yet the players recieve nothing in return.
I'm done with providing feedback apart from the regular complaints... you want us to report bugs? We'll report buggy moderators and you do nothing about it.
We report bugs about the game and all that is said is that someone is working on it....
Right... lot's of other BS things happend, no solutions and no feedback from your side.
So just to use hello's words: "go to hell" wink

Your village is 38100% bigger than the defending village. You will probably lose 90 honour by attacking this village. If someone of your clan attacked this village earlier, every clan member will lose honour.

Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

That is two* separate things demonic.  I am not asking for all feedback to stop. It is one thing also to provide feedback and another just to constantly say the same things over and over no matter what the response is. There is no need for anyone to insult each other, call people "lowlifes", other such things, and no need to keep posting everything over and over. It will not get anyone anywhere bye making multiple topics of the exact same topics. Administration and owners of the game have been very accepting of letting all this into public forums and posts to be allowed to go on, when in any other big game posts most definitely would be locked, and personal account situations would be dealt with on a 1 on 1 level for the most part due to the fact of not everyone knows what exactly is happening, things get mixed up, facts get overlooked, and personal feelings get in the way of resolving things especially when others not involved may start to voice their opinions. As for bugs, yes things have been being worked on, there is not a huge staff of people to always work on bugs 24/7 so expect some sorta delay. Considering how many are working on them they are being fixed at a fair rate.

edit: too=two

Laatst bewerkt door invisibleman (2010-04-08 01:23:09)

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invisibleman schreef:

conan please just cease and think. I never said who so I see you get I mostly mean you. Please cease the discussion about the picture and the whole hilter thing. You are getting out of hand. No one said they support hitlers killing of thousands. If you do not cease I will see that further action is taken. You already gave your view, no need to repost it many times.

I am reposting it because NO ONE has answered my questions!!!!!!!
Ok, So with that threat I will have to stop trying to get a response from ANY moderator about the very important issue, which is what do the moderators believe was the greater crime and from your threats I have to accept the grey doubtful area of cheating and the resetting in 2 seperate individual games as the most vile of acts which deserves the greatest punishment, while the H%#@!*  {don't mention the war} is considered so minor a laugh and giggle behind closed doors is the punishment, well due to your threats and censorship I will have to come to my own conclusion that you don't care what a moderator does no matter how repulsive, but at least some of your moderator friends removed the threats to their dream of being the the king pin of the game.

I read your reply over and over and can only find threats to me but not one mention of the questions I asked which falls in line with moderators feedback to players, and if I am not in a confused state of mind, is it not the players that make this game what it is and the moderators are there to discuss and answer the players questions and concerns.

I am others are getting disallusioned at the way this issue has been handled, there are far too many games competing for players and actions like the moderators have done to those 2 players only makes players look elsewhere. I pay money into the owners account as I believe that each player should to keep this game going, but why should I bother anymore, just be like the majority and just play the game for a while then leave

Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

This game is viewed by children too not just adults. I am a moderator, and I am asking you nicely please calm down and wait one last time.

Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

And yes I do care, I have asked people before to not use vulgar terms and not too mention rated-r things.

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By making such big deals  out of tiny things you guys drive players away. They see all this stupid bickering and don't want to be a part of it.

The easy part was getting the brain out! The hard part was getting the brain out

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invisibleman schreef:

This game is viewed by children too not just adults. I am a moderator, and I am asking you nicely please calm down and wait one last time.

Exactly my point players and a moderator,  which one  did the worst thing.

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invisibleman schreef:

And yes I do care, I have asked people before to not use vulgar terms and not too mention rated-r things.

Then PLEASE answer my questions on which one you consider the worst crime, I have not used vulgar terms or "r" rated things, but a moderator in my opinion has.

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Voldtekt schreef:

By making such big deals  out of tiny things you guys drive players away. They see all this stupid bickering and don't want to be a part of it.

If you were playing 2 games and got banned from both would you think it trival, the answer is clear, NO you wouldn't and neither do I, there has been an injustice dealt to 2 players and nothing done to a moderator, lets hope you do not make a "grey" mistake or they will reset you.

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invisibleman schreef:

This game is viewed by children too not just adults. I am a moderator, and I am asking you nicely please calm down and wait one last time.

Please try and read all I have written, there is more to my post than a 2 line response

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These are some of the pms I sent out last, maybe they help to understand:

6/04: Thank you, but don't really care about being reinstated, I do care about the mistakes made and the behavior from those mods.
This has not been the first time, this is one of the biggest reason why players quit and if nothing changes will be the reason for many more.

8/04: never mind I give up, I'll just go back being a pain in the but for Wham and Ishtar.

8/04:So really the more I learn the worse it gets. Don't really want to know more.


Than there's that one little thing I just can't get over: Whamra you LIED to me.


1 more time:
#Can you please clean up the mess behind the scene?
#Can you please make the rules more clear?
#Can you please make it easier for new players (all players) to learn and understand the game?

As far the mods/devs ignoring me: please keep ignoring me, I don't want to know any more.

Guess who's back big_smile
Some dog in a movie: play?

Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

I started this game at beginning of december. Step by step i found out how all the things are working (not all yet). I asked hundred times my experienced friends how works this and that.
Why aren't there clear instructions for everybody? The tutorial is nearly useless. All what is written down there you can find out very easy yourself. But you can't realize before upgrating castle, wizzard tower, weapon and amour smith and so on what will happen.
I remember i grated up my amour smith on stable to level 6 in the hope there would be new amours. Level 1 would be enough!
And where is this temple shown in the Buildings Tree? I look for it till now big_smile
Also you can't realize as a new player what is forbidden or what is recommended. Examble how often you should  attack a village. What is forbidden or what is unfair? I remember  the first days i attacked one village with 10 or more waves of small regiments if i realized there are no troops at home. Till a friend told me: "Don't do that! Attack only one time in 24 hours except the player is offline for weeks."

Another matter:
Step by step i try to read all the topics here. If i right understood (sorry, english isn't my own language) it's not desirable
1.) to hold a lot of runes

But what should i do with the unused runes?
On stable it takes a long time to grate up a building ( about one day). So i can use only 2 or max. 4 runes per day. So if i kept 20 runes from an attack  i had to wait one week before starting a new attack?

2.) to spend runes to smaller players

I helped new players they asked me for help with resources and runes. Is that desirable?
Without help it's very difficuld to grow up. And that's why a lot of players stop playing after some days.

Tell me if i misunderstood something! big_smile

Punish me for my English not for my words! big_smile

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Wolfieke schreef:

These are some of the pms I sent out last, maybe they help to understand:

6/04: Thank you, but don't really care about being reinstated, I do care about the mistakes made and the behavior from those mods.
This has not been the first time, this is one of the biggest reason why players quit and if nothing changes will be the reason for many more.

8/04: never mind I give up, I'll just go back being a pain in the but for Wham and Ishtar.

8/04:So really the more I learn the worse it gets. Don't really want to know more.


Than there's that one little thing I just can't get over: Whamra you LIED to me.


1 more time:
#Can you please clean up the mess behind the scene?
#Can you please make the rules more clear?
#Can you please make it easier for new players (all players) to learn and understand the game?

As far the mods/devs ignoring me: please keep ignoring me, I don't want to know any more.

I care because it can and will happen to other players, we end the rot now and sort this mess out and get this game on track.

To Dietmar_1960, everything you have said is right, the rules regulation and how to play the game is very very poor.

Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

wolfie... i can be helpful if you ask, but that's about it. this is not my game. i dont even have editing rights for the help section! i am a person responsible for taking cheaters out, punishing chat abusers, and keep the forum clean and relevant. i *cant* make clear rules, this is the developer's responsibility, i'm not even allowed to. ok? i wish things were clearer, it would certainly be a lot more helpful, but that's not my job, it's the developer's. and still, i told you a million times, you are more than free to drop me a message, and i am willing to explain anything. but you always tend to ignore me, and ask others, and then complain that no one knows a thing. ever considered that you are asking the wrong people?
i know of no magic, i dont have anything more that you dont have to understand the game, i rely on the same conditions as you, i experiment, and try to figure stuff out. do i have a source of information to explain things to me? defintily not.
regarding conan.... again, it seems he knows nothing of the truth, and just the type of people who enjoy hijacking any thought and post he see to throw a load of trash around, which he understands none of. are you even a speed player? you yourself said you're a stable player, and heard of the hitler stuff from others. in *WHAT* perspective do you think you can comment on any of it, if you didnt even *SEE* it? jeez.
it was a joke gone bad. like it or not, it was a joke. and i dont even understand why ishtar was included in the attack since she wasnt even there when the joke happened, or even supported it, her grandfather was a WWII fighter in germany... as for me? mt grandfather has a permanent walking disability because of a bullet in his foot from a german officer during vichi french control.
i do *not* endorse the massacres the man ever did, it was a *joke*. there are dozens of other leaders, who've done far worse things in this world, and yes, i've seen their pics posted around dolumar. i dont see you jumping mad on them, why? you just like throwing crap around, i understand.

just that guy... remember him? didn't expect you to...

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whamra1987 schreef:

it was a joke gone bad. like it or not, it was a joke. and i dont even understand why ishtar was included in the attack since she wasnt even there when the joke happened, or even supported it, her grandfather was a WWII fighter in germany... as for me? mt grandfather has a permanent walking disability because of a bullet in his foot from a german officer during vichi french control.
i do *not* endorse the massacres the man ever did, it was a *joke*. there are dozens of other leaders, who've done far worse things in this world, and yes, i've seen their pics posted around dolumar. i dont see you jumping mad on them, why? you just like throwing crap around, i understand.

I think since this is posted and cleared by you yourself now this topic can be closed big_smile
I just think conan and many others wanted to hear some sort of explanation about it, an excuse, an apology perhaps.
Ishtar was only targetted by those players cause she defended you and the posting of the images by telling others they made such a drama. (same arguement for her as to the others, she wasn't there, they should leave it.)

just my 2 cnts

Laatst bewerkt door Demonic (2010-04-08 17:04:56)

Your village is 38100% bigger than the defending village. You will probably lose 90 honour by attacking this village. If someone of your clan attacked this village earlier, every clan member will lose honour.

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Whamra you can help in cleaning up the mess behind the sence.
You can help by not telling me there's nothing wrong with this game. (in pm)
You can apologies for lying and messing up.
I never said or assumed you know more about the game than me. I said no one knows how the game works, not even the mods, can this be changed pleased.(=> this was in a pm send to 6 mods ,edit: 7 mods, and 2 devs.)
Asking the wrong people? You are the one talking about moderator*team* and developers*team*
Stop misleading people.

Laatst bewerkt door Wolfieke (2010-04-08 21:16:04)

Guess who's back big_smile
Some dog in a movie: play?

Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

there's a whole lot of difference between mod teams and dev teams. being a mod does NOT mean we know about game mechanics. we watch for abusers, that's it.
i never lied about anything.
we a re a team when it comes to moderating operations that require team work. we dont hold out a full admin meeting to discuss a 5 minute ban.
no one knows anything about the game? yes, there's plenty. is there still tons of features i dont know? yes, plenty as well. it's all experimneting. am i responsible for lack of this info? NO.
am i obliged to add these info somewhere? NO
is the developer to add info about game mechanics? NO
the developer is obliged to place the game basics. that's it. go look around you, not a single game writes the complete game mechanics unless it's some big non-free enterprise game. every single tutorial, calculation, tips and tricks of other games, is community created.
the problem here is that those who knows dont want to share, that's the not the developers' problems. again, whenever i know an answer, i am willing to share, just dont ask for plans, operations and tricks, i explain basics, the need-to-know which for some unknown reason, you still haven't figured out.
regarding new features, that's up to you to catch up with updates, and read the dolumar portal, and forum stuff. no new feature goes unmentioned.

just that guy... remember him? didn't expect you to...

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What you call developersteam: 1 man admitting he made a decision based on half a story.
                                                  admitting comunnications after that went wrong.
                                  saying where there personal feelings involved? Probably.

What you call moderatorsteam: half off them didn't know about the stable reset.
                                      only you and Ishtar knew why stable stayed reset, when that reason was explaned to Dead in januari and I asked Daed to reset that reason 3 times and I explained to Hellikin 10 days ago
                                      your words in pm: you should have told me
                          you asked the wrong people
                                      the moderatorsteam does not work togheter
                                      you might be the Head of Moderator Panel, you are not the moderator panel.




From:      Hello
To:     Wolfieke
Re:

    Wolfieke wrote on 04.04.2010 22:46:
    Ok you got me.
    I understand the resets are final, but I still don't understand why stable was reset when two mods said on global this is not done and 3 mods and Thijs did not know about the reset on stable (and that's the ones I asked, don't know about the rest)

Thijs was on vacation during most of the incident.
as for stable, we noticed the cinderella account was active on your IP, and loa and behold, using your email address as well. digging back to see why this account has been allowed for a while, we find a message claiming you are a boy, and cinderella is your girlfiriend's account. but we all know you're not a guy now, and kelly trenson is your name tongue
so a reset was performed. it's not really related to happenings on speed, just happened in same timezone... and ppl like conspiracy theories

you say: a reset was performed . it's not really related to happenings on speed, just happened in same timezone..
and read that pm again, I never said I was a boy and Cinderella is my girlfriend

mod nr1: That was not why it was originally reset... that's why it was still reset.

mod nr2: I am not going to lie for anyone. You were reset on stable for what happened on speed. The debating on if we should re-instate you stopped when Cinderella was found.

The fact that you are still reset on stable can be debated for having Cinderella, but that was found some time later after the reset.

you lied and you screwed up, again.



gameplay, you said: the problem here is that those who knows dont want to share, that's the not the developers' problems.

I said in the pm I sent to 7 mods and 2 devs: we spend hours finding out how the game works, we spend hours explaning the game. We = the players
As for developers: http://en.forum.dolumar.com/topic/151/vacation/ look at this topic, see the last repley from Daed. Keep in mind the 14 day limit is gone, not explained.
Note also that some posts like opening portals on players in vacation and vacationtroops are there, Daed said I look into it. Nothing about that being a bug. Vilmore has told me yesterday, after me asking him they are bugs.
Am I the one responsable for making sure everyone knows? Don't forget I was reset for abusing a bug. The other ones are happyly used by almost everybody.
Dietmar said: And where is this temple shown in the Buildings Tree? I look for it till now.
Where is everything for the Dutch and German players? This game is availeble in 3 languages
It is not clear, there are even mistakes. And this is a reason why many players quit.

you said: I love this game ...... You are trying realy hard to destroy it.

Guess who's back big_smile
Some dog in a movie: play?

Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

are *these* my fault? all these bugs and missing information? go blame the developers for them, damn it. i'm a *multi hunter*.

just that guy... remember him? didn't expect you to...

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whamra1987 schreef:

are *these* my fault? all these bugs and missing information? go blame the developers for them, damn it. i'm a *multi hunter*.


stil no apology for lying?
edit: still don't want to admit you screwed up?

Laatst bewerkt door Wolfieke (2010-04-08 22:58:35)

Guess who's back big_smile
Some dog in a movie: play?